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The Final Chapter, Part 5 of 9: When It Rains…

Running Time: 1 hour 12 minutes 16 seconds
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The first four parts of Deep Space Nine's final arc established many threads and challenges the many players both on the Station and beyond. "When It Rains…" firmly plays the role of middle chapter as it jumps straight into the continuation of "The Changing Face of Evil" without so much as a mention of "previously on." As the name suggests, a deluge of new problems beset our heroes (and villains) as the writers position threads for a final push to the end.

In this episode of The Orb hosts Christopher Jones and Matthew Rushing continue our series of shows that will take you through the entire nine-part, ten-hour Deep Space Nine finale with the fifth episode in the story, "When It Rains…" We discuss Kira's twist of fate, Odo's plight and Starfleet's role in genocide, Garak's return home, and why Gowron is like your crazy uncle at the family reunion.

Chapters

A Downpour of Troubles (3:05)
Kira's Twist of Fate (6:50)
Is War Un-Trek? (13:29)
Cardassian (Lack of) Tactics (18:34)
Garak Returns Home (21:01)
Starfleet's Genocide (25:02)
Rearranging the Deck Chairs (36:15)
Gowron the Crazy (43:42)
Playing with Fire (52:44)
Final Thoughts (55:38)
Closing (57:15)

Hosts

C Bryan Jones and Matthew Rushing

Production

C Bryan Jones (Editor and Producer) Matthew Rushing (Executive Producer) Norman C. Lao (Executive Producer) Charlynn Schmiedt (Executive Producer) Ruth Ward (Associate Producer) Will Nguyen (Associate Producer) Ken Tripp (Associate Producer) William Murray (Associate Producer) Kay Elizabeth Janeway (Associate Producer) Richard Marquez (Production Manager)

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