Commentary: Trek Stars 87: Yes, And... An Interview with Patrick McKay & J.D. Payne

McKay & Payne.

Over the past fifty years, from Gene Roddenberry to Damon Lindelof, 369 people have written for Star Trek. In this episode of Commentary: Trek Stars, Mike and Max talk to the 370th and 371st Star Trek writers, Patrick McKay and J.D. Payne.

In the interview, we discuss McKay and Payne's Trek fandom, their screenplays which led to Trek, working with Robert Orci, and responding to the criticisms fans have of the last film. We also try to convince them to watch Deep Space Nine.

Running Time: 1 hour 3 minutes 25 seconds

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Hosts

Mike Schindler and Max Hegel

Guests

Patrick McKay and J.D. Payne

Topics

McKay & Payne (1:02)
Trek Fans (2:02)
Breaking In (12:32)
Writing Trek (28:23)
Influences (40:57)
Responding to Fan Criticism (43:21)
Final Thoughts (51:21)
Closing (52:26)

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Commentary: Trek Stars 85: Roddenberry's Rosebud

Roddenberry II: Pretty Maids All in a Row.

Despite having written dozens of hours of television, Gene Roddenberry is only responsible for writing one feature film. That film is Pretty Maids All In a Row, directed by Roger Vadim and starring Rock Hudson.

In this episode of Commentary: Trek Stars, Mike and Max are joined by film critic Todd Gilchrist to take a look at the film, which Roddenberry also produced. We discuss the social commentary present in an otherwise exploitational sex comedy, the simililarities between Roddenberry and Vadim as artists, and whether or not this film is the missing piece in understanding Roddenberry's personality. We also ponder why Quentin Tarantino calls it one of the best films of all time.

Running Time: 58 minutes 9 Seconds

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Hosts

Mike Schindler and Max Hegel

Guest

Todd Gilchrist

Topics

Roger Vadim (6:08)
Pretty Maids All in a Row (15:26)
A Roddenberry Production (22:56)
Quentin Tarantino (33:14)
Wrap-up (46:16)

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Commentary: Trek Stars 84: Waiting for Gadot

Black II: Wonder Woman.

Over the past 50 years, there have been many successful comic book adaptations for both the big screen and small. But for some reason, the one marquee character which has failed to break through to the mainstream is Wonder Woman. Many writers have tried, with varying results. And the very first of these was Star Trek writer and producer, John D.F. Black.

In this episode of Commentary: Trek Stars, Max and Mike take a look at Black's 1974 Wonder Woman pilot, which starred Cathy Lee Crosby, and directly preceded the successful 1975 series starring Lynda Carter. We discuss the origins of the character, how Black's pilot rates among other adaptations, and whether or not current creators are on the cusp of a breakthrough with the character. We also ponder why comic book readers are generally unaccepting of the character.

Running Time: 59 minutes 52 seconds

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Hosts

Max Hegel and Mike Schindler

Topics

Wonder Woman (03:13)
The Character as an Icon (12:07)
The Pilot (22:23)
Other Incarnations (37:53)
Trek Collaborators (48:47)
Final Thoughts (50:27)

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Commentary: Trek Stars 77: Who Let Adam Simon on the Lot?

Braga, Part 4: Salem.

Brannon Braga is one of only five individuals in history who can claim to have created a Star Trek series. In the past, we have discussed that creation, Enterprise, as well as his other television series, Flashforward. Last Sunday saw the debut of Braga's third series, Salem, which he co-created with Adam Simon.

In this episode of Commentary: Trek Stars, Mike and Max return to their Brannon Braga series to discuss his work on Salem. We look at the political message of the film, the similar style of Game of Thrones, and how it compares to the other show that Braga runs, Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey. We also look back fondly on Adam Simon's portrayal of himself in The Player.

Running Time: 30 minutes

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Hosts

Mike Schindler and Max Hegel

Topics

Salem
The Style
Salem vs. Cosmos

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Commentary: Trek Stars 75: A Really Cool Stamp

Bole, Part 6: Recap.

The Next Generation era of Star Trek is not exactly known for its breakthrough directorial choices. Rick Berman operated a very well-oiled machine which was manned by expert craftsmen who knew exactly what was expected of them, and delivered high-quality product week after week. Such is the nature of episodic television. Very few shows allow the director to stretch their legs creatively in such a way as to demonstrate their own personal style. One such show was The X-Files.

Cliff Bole is one of a very few directors to have worked on both franchises, and he is credited with creating some of the very best episodes of each.

In this episode of Commentary: Trek Stars, Mike and Max recap our look at Bole's work on The X-Files. We discuss all four of his episodes, including "Small Potatoes," "Bad Blood," "Chimera," and "Jump the Shark." We also discuss the talents of Vince Gilligan, and ponder how the producers knew that Bole would be the perfect choice to handle such iconic episodes.

Running Time: 38 minutes 49 seconds

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Hosts

Mike Schindler and Max Hegel

Topics

Cliff Bole
Small Potatoes
Bad Blood
Chimera
Jump the Shark
Final Thoughts

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Commentary: Trek Stars 74: Mulder Times Ten

Bole, Part 5: Jump the Shark.

From the beginning, The Lone Gunmen were fan favorites on The X-Files. The trio of characters, Byers, Langley, and Frohike, were conspiracy theorists who published a newspaper aimed at revealing the truth. In 2001, they received their own spinoff series. Also in 2001, that spinoff was cancelled.

Left on a cliffhanger, the story remained unresolved until midway through the following season, when the creators of the series gave it a proper resolution in an episode of The X-Files entitled "Jump the Shark". This was also the final X-File for Cliff Bole. 

This week, Max and Mike discuss The Lone Gunmen's role on The X-Files, how that roll changed on their own show, and how "Jump the Shark" acts as an episode of two series simultaneously.

Running Time: 46 minutes 40 seconds

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Hosts

Mike Schindler and Max Hegel

Topics

The Lone Gunmen
The Spinoff
Jump the Shark
Final Thoughts

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Commentary: Trek Stars 73: Scully and the Hookers

Bole, Part 4: Chimera.

Not every episode of your favorite television show can be a winner. After two outstanding efforts, Cliff Bole returned to The X-Files during its seventh season to direct "Chimera," a story about a mysterious creature that is killing people in a small community.

In this episode of Commentary: Trek Stars, Mike and Max take a look at Bole's third X-File. We discuss its "monster of the week" nature, Scully's promising B-story, and why Bole's contribution is not readily apparent. We also explain The Muppet Babies Syndrome.

Running Time: 39 minutes 21 seconds

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Hosts

Mike Schindler and Max Hegel

Topics

Chimera
The B-Story
Bole's Contribution
Final Thoughts

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Commentary: Trek Stars 72: The Best of Both Worlds of The X-Files

Bole, Part 3: Bad Blood.

After the success of his first X-Files episode, Cliff Bole returned to the series the following year to direct another comedic script by Vince Gilligan, "Bad Blood." This episode pushed the boundaries of the show even further than "Small Potatoes," and the end result may be the most critically-acclaimed hour in the show's history.  

In this episode of Commentary: Trek Stars, Max and Mike take a look at Bole's second X-File. We discuss how the episode gets better with each viewing, how it departs from the tone of the series while still staying inside the basic formula, and how Bole's sense of comic timing is the key to the episode's success. We also take a look at the new Brannon Braga series, Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey. 

Running Time: 50 minutes 47 seconds

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Hosts

Mike Schindler and Max Hegel

Topics

Bad Blood 
Slapstick Comedy 
Bole's Direction 
Final Thoughts 
Cosmos 
Braga's Direction 

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Commentary: Trek Stars 71: Better Than a Public School Education

Bole, Part 2: Small Potatoes.

Cliff Bole will always be known first and foremost for his contribution to Star Trek, but he also had a huge impact on another sci-fi series, The X-Files. Four episodes of the '90s cult classic were directed by Bole, including some of the very best. 

In this episode of Commentary: Trek Stars, Mike and Max take a look at Bole's first X-Files episode, "Small Potatoes." We discuss the series as a whole, the difficulty of balancing grotesque crimes with humor, and the apparent freedom Bole was given in this series which may have been absent on Trek. We also examine the merits of The X-Files as an educational tool.

Running Time: 42 minutes 49 seconds

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Hosts

Mike Schindler and Max Hegel

Topics

The X-Files
Small Potatoes
Bole's Contribution
Final Thoughts

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Commentary: Trek Stars 69: Werewolves Can't Walk Backwards

Wolfe, Part 6: Recap.

Robert Hewitt Wolfe was a key component of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine's writing team. He has since gone on to develop or write for a number of genre properties, including Futuresport, Andromeda, The Dresden Files, and Riverworld.

In this episode of Commentary: Trek Stars, Mike and Max recap their series on Wolfe, and also touch on his other works, including his two current shows, Star-Crossed and Elementary.

Running Time: 35 minutes 17 seconds

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Hosts

Mike Schindler and Max Hegel

Topics

Futuresport
Andromeda
The Dresden Files
Riverworld
Other Work
Final Thoughts

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